Q1_Aircraft: VW engines

> Pat,
>
> Thanks, I'd appreciate that.

A few things I know from visiting them at the Sebring LSA expo last month.

> I'm concerned about mounting.

I'll get that info.

> What about oil, does one need to mix it like a two stroke?

It's a four-stroke rotary engine, just like what you'd find under the hood
of an Mazda RX-7 and 8, except that it's not Mazda, it's purpose-built as an
industrial engine.

> I'm like to
> verify that they have airplanes flying,

I know of only one for sure, the Sadler Vampire. Not the old single-seat
Part 103 ultralight, but a bigger two-place LSA version.
www.sadleraircraft.com/

> are actually delivering engines.

One for sure, but I'll get a list of others.

> Do they have an installation manual? How are the doc's.

We'll find that out and report back.

Pat

Ben,

Please let me know how you proceed. I'd be interested in your
progress with them. Is the gyro come with the engine or are you going to
install it? Do you know the name of the lsa who is going to use it?

Thanks,

Dave R.



PS. Don't forget, allow your medical to expire, don't get rejected by a
third class medical or you won't be able to do a lsa. That's a lot of types,
wow!



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Hi Dave,

Need a photographer/lacky?

I'm about 2 hours South of Rotamax. I'm on the verge of losing my medical
and struggling to find a project that I can fly. After 35 years of flying,
55 types, 5500 hours I am not going to see my flying come to an end over
some medical technicality. I won't be grounded without a fight!

I've always been interested in the rotary engine for aviation and have been
following this engine for a couple of years. They are working with at least
one LSA.

I'm considering a gyro with this engine.

-Ben

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Pat,

Thanks, I'd appreciate that. I'm concerned about mounting.
What about oil, does one need to mix it like a two stroke? I'm like to
verify that they have airplanes flying, are actually delivering engines. Do
they have an installation manual? How are the doc's.

Thanks

Dave R.

PS I would consider subscribing. Send info off line to me, thanks

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For what it's worth, I'm heading to Rotomax on Feb 11 to tour their shop and
write and article for CONTACT! Magazine. It will appear in either the very
next issue or the one just before SnF.

Are there any particulars you'd like me to find out?

Pat

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> Have you looked into the Rotamax?
>
> www.rotamax. <www.rotamax. < www.rotamax.net/ > net/>
net/
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>
> -Ben

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Hi Dave,



I'm going to build a Hornet. www.gdt-systems.com/body.asp



I started flying rotary wing aircraft shortly after retiring from the AF.



The LSA that's getting the Rotamax is the Sadler Vampire.
www.sadleraircraft.com/ the engine install looks like this
www.rotaryaircraftengines.com/news.htm



I will get my medical this time and then play it by ear for the next two
years. I have a partnership in a Cessna 182 and Cessna 150. My experience
is in fighters. It's all flying to me!



-Ben







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Ben,

Please let me know how you proceed. I'd be interested in your
progress with them. Is the gyro come with the engine or are you going to
install it? Do you know the name of the lsa who is going to use it?

Thanks,

Dave R.

PS. Don't forget, allow your medical to expire, don't get rejected by a
third class medical or you won't be able to do a lsa. That's a lot of types,
wow!

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Subject: RE: [Q1_Aircraft] VW engines

Hi Dave,

Need a photographer/lacky?

I'm about 2 hours South of Rotamax. I'm on the verge of losing my medical
and struggling to find a project that I can fly. After 35 years of flying,
55 types, 5500 hours I am not going to see my flying come to an end over
some medical technicality. I won't be grounded without a fight!

I've always been interested in the rotary engine for aviation and have been
following this engine for a couple of years. They are working with at least
one LSA.

I'm considering a gyro with this engine.

-Ben

From: David Rosengrant [mailto: d2r@... <mailto:d2r%40wb4me.com>
<mailto:d2r%40wb4me.com> ]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:36 PM
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Subject: RE: [Q1_Aircraft] VW engines

Pat,

Thanks, I'd appreciate that. I'm concerned about mounting.
What about oil, does one need to mix it like a two stroke? I'm like to
verify that they have airplanes flying, are actually delivering engines. Do
they have an installation manual? How are the doc's.

Thanks

Dave R.

PS I would consider subscribing. Send info off line to me, thanks

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Subject: RE: [Q1_Aircraft] VW engines

For what it's worth, I'm heading to Rotomax on Feb 11 to tour their shop and
write and article for CONTACT! Magazine. It will appear in either the very
next issue or the one just before SnF.

Are there any particulars you'd like me to find out?

Pat

>

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> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:11 PM
> To: Q1_Aircraft@ <mailto:Q1_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Q1_Aircraft] VW engines
>
> Have you looked into the Rotamax?
>
> www.rotamax. <www.rotamax. < www.rotamax.net/ > net/>
net/
>
>
>
> -Ben

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You could, (and some have) install a full VW on the Q1, Some suggested an O200
on a Q1.
I am sure that from that step, it isn't too far, to seriously start looking
for a 360 engine.

Too me the whole idea with the Q1 is lost when stuff like that is ventilated.

The cycle of more HP, adding more weight, that can be compensated by more HP,
that in itself will add more weight, is a vicious cycle that leads nowhere.

-'Hey I'm building a Q1, and I baaaadly need a Merlin engine, anyone got one?'

Q2 is much more suitable for a full VW engine, it's engineered for it, and it
is a wonderful aircraft with a full VW engine.

Q1 with a full VW or other oversized mega engines, starts to look like the
airplane races from the past, where they stuck a couple of wings onto the
biggest possible engine they got away with.

-'I NEEEEED 82 HP in my Q1'

No you don't, you need a 20 Hp Onan,it'll fly as designed on that, if you're a
fatass, stick a 24 hp Onan into it.

That's the basic idea with the Q1.

DaveR, something tells me that the Q1 is not really the airplane you really
want, and I would suggest that you do some soulsearching and seriously consider
a Q2 instread, that aircraft will fullfill all your criteria, and with that
engine that you want, it ill do wonders.


davedrosen < d2r@... > wrote:
All,
I'm searching for engines, at this point, to replace the non-
exsistant hexadyne engine. I have some vw questions. Isn't it a bit
heavy for the hp. Why just use the 1600 if the next size up or two
weighs the same. What about PRSU's. How does the GPlains engines
compare to AeroVee etc. How fast did a Q cruse with a VW, with and
without a prsu? How are they mounted? does one use rubber mounts on the
firewall? Is there any good reference for installation advice for a Q1?
Thanks,
Dave R.
N4YQ

Hexatron NOT--Gotta sue them for my deposit back.

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To Dave R.
I to think you don't need 82 hp. Do you know what the flutter margins are in
the Q1. You never said what you didn't like about the HKS ? There's also a
couple European 60 ish hp models. I'm sticking with my $500 40 hp and I'm fat.
The good thing about the VWs is at least it's been tried and you should be able
to find someone to talk about it. Same with the 503 and there's good data on it
(plans) I now everyone is creeped out about 2 strokes but there not that bad
w/dual ignition, fresh gas and clean the head when you're suppose to. That's my
2cents
Stan


Isaksson Roger < scratchdeeper@... > wrote:
You could, (and some have) install a full VW on the Q1, Some suggested
an O200 on a Q1.
I am sure that from that step, it isn't too far, to seriously start looking for
a 360 engine.

Too me the whole idea with the Q1 is lost when stuff like that is ventilated.

The cycle of more HP, adding more weight, that can be compensated by more HP,
that in itself will add more weight, is a vicious cycle that leads nowhere.

-'Hey I'm building a Q1, and I baaaadly need a Merlin engine, anyone got one?'

Q2 is much more suitable for a full VW engine, it's engineered for it, and it is
a wonderful aircraft with a full VW engine.

Q1 with a full VW or other oversized mega engines, starts to look like the
airplane races from the past, where they stuck a couple of wings onto the
biggest possible engine they got away with.

-'I NEEEEED 82 HP in my Q1'

No you don't, you need a 20 Hp Onan,it'll fly as designed on that, if you're a
fatass, stick a 24 hp Onan into it.

That's the basic idea with the Q1.

DaveR, something tells me that the Q1 is not really the airplane you really
want, and I would suggest that you do some soulsearching and seriously consider
a Q2 instread, that aircraft will fullfill all your criteria, and with that
engine that you want, it ill do wonders.


davedrosen < d2r@... > wrote:
All,
I'm searching for engines, at this point, to replace the non-
exsistant hexadyne engine. I have some vw questions. Isn't it a bit
heavy for the hp. Why just use the 1600 if the next size up or two
weighs the same. What about PRSU's. How does the GPlains engines
compare to AeroVee etc. How fast did a Q cruse with a VW, with and
without a prsu? How are they mounted? does one use rubber mounts on the
firewall? Is there any good reference for installation advice for a Q1?
Thanks,
Dave R.
N4YQ

Hexatron NOT--Gotta sue them for my deposit back.

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Perhaps this is a philolosphy more than anything else.

In the human development of things we always have to do it a bit bigger and
more powerful for each step.

Every year a car model comes out, it is a couple of inches bigger, more
powerful than the year before, and at the end of the model line, the original
concept of the first model is almost always lost, and the car have now grown
into a bigger class of cars.

Your fishing boat, a small aluminum boat, did just fine with a 10 hp outboard
engine, but by some reason or the other, it's sitting a 65 HP engine there now.

A normal car takes about 20 to 30 HP to maintain freeway speed, any more hp is
used for acceleration or hills, and man, do we have hills nowadays, we
absolutely neeeed 300HP.

Dont get me wrong, I like power as well as the other guy, but powerful
vehicles are designed to be powerful vehicles.

I have two vehicles one is a Mercedes 560 SEC, and the other is a VW Rabbit
Diesel.

Those vehicles are two completely different concepts, the only similarities
are that they both have four wheels on the ground.

I am happy with both, because they fullfill their task, each one of them
respectively.

It would be so far fetched to try to make a hotrod out of the VW Rabbit
Diesel, getting bigger engines and make it go faster, make it climb the hills
faster, and make it a red light screamer.

The whole concept of what a VW Rabbit Diesel can do, would be completely lost
with that effort, besides, if I wanted to do a hotrod, I wouldnt choose a Rabbit
Diesel in the first place.

Why go with all these mega heavy engines in a Q1? Just because it has been
done, does not make it the norm. it's still a mutation.

Dont put a blown Hemi in a VW Diesel Rabbit, find a Dodge Charger and it will
bolt right in.

Ryan < rryan@... > wrote:
Dave,

The Vari-eze started with a VW engine then the 0-200 Continental or
later an 0-235 Lycoming.

The LongEZ started with an 0-200 Continental then a Lycoming 0-235
and now an 0-320 Lycoming as the best choice.

The Q1 started with 18hp then 22+hp then 503cc Rotax 52hp. Several
flying with 4 cylinder VW engines (I am one). Except for the 3.6gph
fuel burn it is a reliable way to get in the air with plenty of
engine history.

I do not understand the negative responses to an excellent
alternative to the Onan or Rotax engines. Yes it is heavier than the
Onan.

Ryan

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> All,
> I'm searching for engines, at this point, to replace the non-
> exsistant hexadyne engine. I have some vw questions. Isn't it a
bit
> heavy for the hp. Why just use the 1600 if the next size up or two
> weighs the same. What about PRSU's. How does the GPlains engines
> compare to AeroVee etc. How fast did a Q cruse with a VW, with and
> without a prsu? How are they mounted? does one use rubber mounts
on the
> firewall? Is there any good reference for installation advice for
a Q1?
> Thanks,
> Dave R.
> N4YQ
>
> Hexatron NOT--Gotta sue them for my deposit back.
>

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