Q1_Aircraft: Free VG Plans & instructions

A recent incident has demonstrated that a lot of people are unclear as to how
VG's work and are thus susceptible to false claims. From one vendor's
assertions, you would think that these things will do everything but clean the
dishes.

The best way for you to find out how they will work is to test them yourself, on
your own plane, and in a manner that does not involve having to buy anything of
any expense. That way you know from your own personal experience what they
will and will not do and be in a much better position to spot any exaggerated
claims by those trying to sell you something. You'll know where they work best
because YOU figured it out. Or, you have verified that the performance gains
claimed by other aircraft owners can be replicated on your plane. All without
having to buy VG's.

Here's how.

If you can do the simplest of Macrame paper folding and you can follow
instructions then you have what it takes to very economically create a simple
design that you can use to accurately test the VG technology on your own.

I've created several pages of documentation which include flat profiles and
those
of the final result. All you need is some scotch tape, a few feet of aluminum
flashing and an ordinary pair of scissors.

Send me a pre-stamped, self addressed envelope and include:
Your name
The type of plane it's going on
Where you intend to apply them
The result you wish to produce
Your e-mail address.
Your phone number is voluntary

I will return the documentation, fabrication templates and any comments I feel
are warranted in the envelope you provided.

Simple as that.

If after testing you are satisfied that provide a useful benefit, you can
then order the appropriate kit, comfortable in the knowledge that they work.

Mail them to

CCI
P.O. Box 494
Milford, NJ
08848

Allow a week to ten days.

Art Bianconi

For more information, please visit our web site:

www.computer-certainty.com
or
www.vortexgenerator.net

Thanks for writing CCI.

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Hello Art;
A couple of years ago I purchased a set of your Vortex Generators for
the GU canard on my Q2. I'm getting close to the point where I will be
trying them out and wonder if you have the information you mention below
in e-mailible form for customers?

regards, -john-

John Loram
180 Beacon Hill Ln
Ashland, OR
(541)482-2541

www.loram.org



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Subject: [Q1_Aircraft] Free VG Plans & instructions


A recent incident has demonstrated that a lot of people are unclear as
to how
VG's work and are thus susceptible to false claims. From one vendor's
assertions, you would think that these things will do everything but
clean the
dishes.

The best way for you to find out how they will work is to test them
yourself, on
your own plane, and in a manner that does not involve having to buy
anything of
any expense. That way you know from your own personal experience what
they
will and will not do and be in a much better position to spot any
exaggerated
claims by those trying to sell you something. You'll know where they
work best
because YOU figured it out. Or, you have verified that the performance
gains
claimed by other aircraft owners can be replicated on your plane. All
without
having to buy VG's.

Here's how.

If you can do the simplest of Macrame paper folding and you can follow
instructions then you have what it takes to very economically create a
simple
design that you can use to accurately test the VG technology on your
own.

I've created several pages of documentation which include flat profiles
and those
of the final result. All you need is some scotch tape, a few feet of
aluminum
flashing and an ordinary pair of scissors.

Send me a pre-stamped, self addressed envelope and include:
Your name
The type of plane it's going on
Where you intend to apply them
The result you wish to produce
Your e-mail address.
Your phone number is voluntary

I will return the documentation, fabrication templates and any comments
I feel
are warranted in the envelope you provided.

Simple as that.

If after testing you are satisfied that provide a useful benefit, you
can
then order the appropriate kit, comfortable in the knowledge that they
work.

Mail them to

CCI
P.O. Box 494
Milford, NJ
08848

Allow a week to ten days.

Art Bianconi

For more information, please visit our web site:

www.computer-certainty.com
or
www.vortexgenerator.net

Thanks for writing CCI.

The contents of this message and any attachments were checked by Norton
AV
before being sent, using an AV list not more than 24 hours old.



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Hello John,

Previous efforts to send dimensioned drawings through the mail were less than
successful. I encountered all sorts of problems that required endless support.
I
am always having this problem with the freebies people download from my web
site. (Starter adapter, Heat Shields)

The adhesive technology hasn't changed nor has the placement of the VG's.
However, since Quickie and DragonFly owners have started using them too, I will
have to adjust the instructions. The front (canard) wing on those planes are
tapered so a slight change in how to define 50% of chord has to be mentioned.

Other than that, the only thing that's different is the addition of geometry and
the
instructions on how to fabricate temporary VG's.

Another reason is help rebuild the database. I lost a critical harddrive a few
years
back and lost a significant portion of my customer database. I am hoping that
those like you who already have CCI VG's will update their addresses, especially
e-mail so I can update them.

How's the project going? Have you a 'first flight' target date set?

Art

From: 'John Loram' < johnl@... >

> Hello Art;
> A couple of years ago I purchased a set of your Vortex Generators for
> the GU canard on my Q2. I'm getting close to the point where I will be
> trying them out and wonder if you have the information you mention
> below in e-mailible form for customers?
>
> regards, -john-
>
> John Loram
> 180 Beacon Hill Ln
> Ashland, OR
> (541)482-2541
>
> www.loram.org
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ccivortex@... [mailto: ccivortex@... ]
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:17 PM
> To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
> Subject: [Q1_Aircraft] Free VG Plans &amp; instructions
>
>
> A recent incident has demonstrated that a lot of people are unclear as
> to how VG's work and are thus susceptible to false claims. From one
> vendor's assertions, you would think that these things will do
> everything but clean the dishes.
>
> The best way for you to find out how they will work is to test them
> yourself, on your own plane, and in a manner that does not involve
> having to buy anything of any expense. That way you know from your own
> personal experience what they will and will not do and be in a much
> better position to spot any exaggerated claims by those trying to sell
> you something. You'll know where they work best because YOU figured it
> out. Or, you have verified that the performance gains claimed by other
> aircraft owners can be replicated on your plane. All without having to
> buy VG's.
>
> Here's how.
>
> If you can do the simplest of Macrame paper folding and you can follow
> instructions then you have what it takes to very economically create a
> simple design that you can use to accurately test the VG technology on
> your own.
>
> I've created several pages of documentation which include flat
> profiles and those of the final result. All you need is some scotch
> tape, a few feet of aluminum flashing and an ordinary pair of
> scissors.
>
> Send me a pre-stamped, self addressed envelope and include:
> Your name
> The type of plane it's going on
> Where you intend to apply them
> The result you wish to produce
> Your e-mail address.
> Your phone number is voluntary
>
> I will return the documentation, fabrication templates and any
> comments I feel are warranted in the envelope you provided.
>
> Simple as that.
>
> If after testing you are satisfied that provide a useful benefit, you
> can then order the appropriate kit, comfortable in the knowledge that
> they work.
>
> Mail them to
>
> CCI
> P.O. Box 494
> Milford, NJ
> 08848
>
> Allow a week to ten days.
>
> Art Bianconi
>
> For more information, please visit our web site:
>
> www.computer-certainty.com
> or
> www.vortexgenerator.net
>
> Thanks for writing CCI.
>
> The contents of this message and any attachments were checked by
> Norton AV before being sent, using an AV list not more than 24 hours
> old.

Art,

you have already taken a justified savaging on the canard list from
trying to disguise blatent marketing with a blanket of psueudo
science and scare mongering.

Let me paraphrase your last posting 'I sell vortex generators, and
have made plenty doing it. Others sell them but don't buy from them
because they stole my IP.'

Best you give all the facts Art, if you are going to have any
credibility. Noticably absent from your rambling was the fact that
the tried and tested detail for the manufacture and installation is
readily available ( and remarkably similar to your 'advice') from
the originally published VG installation instructions. Those who
want them can find the details in the files section of the Q list.

Sales dropping off lately, Art?

John