Q1_Aircraft: Plans-built Q1

Hey guys - another question entirely.

I have a previously built Q1 that comes from another member of this board. Sold
to me in flying condition, but in 'For Parts Only' status. In other words, no
N-number - I need to apply to the FAA for an airworthiness certificate. Given
that it's an essentially complete build, I'm certainly not going to qualify as
the primary builder or for a repairman's certificate. No big deal there - but
what exactly IS the process by which I can get this aircraft reevaluated by the
FAA and get an airworthiness certificate assigned? Obviously it's not open to
sequential inspection, as it's already complete (including paint) - is that an
issue? Or am I going to need to 'deconstruct' it to the point of rebuilding an
adequate amount that the FAA recognizes it as greater than 51% and awards me a
Repaiman's certificate as well? (Obviously entailing creating a 'builder's log
with photos, journal, receipts, etc.)

Speaking of which - i have been immersed in the construction manual for some
time now. This plane seems VERY straight forward to build (I might even have to
build one for myself just for fun!!), although I recognize that the original
ones came as 'kits'. With that said, are there REALLY any parts that were
supplied with the kit that would be difficult to fabricate or scrounge? I have
a small lathe and mill and although I'm no machinist, I know several people who
are. The only difficult piece that I can see is the vertical fin support orange
foam - that's a pretty oddball shape/size, and I can't find any specs on it's
actual measurements anywhere in the plans. Is this still available from
Aircraft Spruce?

BTW - popped for all the back-issues of the Quickie Builder's Association
Q-Talk. Not cheap, but a SUPERB resource of info by those who have 'Been there
and done that!' I think it was worth the cost. Gonna keep me reading for a few
more weeks at least... (and then Contact Magazine on top of that...???)

Thanks all!

Jonathan

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From: poodina1
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM
Subject: [Q1_Aircraft] C.G.


how is C.G. found of Q1 with the pilot at the seat? if the wieght
varies say a different pilot is flying how does this change
compensated. where does the c.g move?





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Jonathan,

The Quickie is a scratch built airplane. Kits contained pieces of
foam that were sanded to shape, then fiberglass covered to make the
fuselage. Wing cores were hot-wired to shape using templates then
fiberglassed covered to complete. I will assume the verticle tail was
also hot-wired using templates on each end. Wheels, brakes, bubble
for canopy, resin, rolls of fiberglass cloth, and engine came in kits
not finished parts.

Homebuilt airplanes are usually inspected when finished by the FAA or
by one of their designees who has completed their designee program
now. In days gone by there WAS an inspection process as the airplane
was built, and is still not a bad idea to have someone more
knowledgable than yourself look things over but I don't think the FAA
requires that currently. Now they just inspect the finished product.

I have recently heard of some getting the repairman certificate for
an airplane they did not build. If the airplane is apart and you are
performing assembly, and possibly a new engine installation you MIGHT
be able to get the repairman certificate.

Larry H.



'Jonathan Kuehne' <jpkuehne@...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys - another question entirely.
>
> I have a previously built Q1 that comes from another member of this
board. Sold to me in flying condition, but in 'For Parts Only'
status. In other words, no N-number - I need to apply to the FAA for
an airworthiness certificate. Given that it's an essentially
complete build, I'm certainly not going to qualify as the primary
builder or for a repairman's certificate. No big deal there - but
what exactly IS the process by which I can get this aircraft
reevaluated by the FAA and get an airworthiness certificate
assigned? Obviously it's not open to sequential inspection, as it's
already complete (including paint) - is that an issue? Or am I going
to need to 'deconstruct' it to the point of rebuilding an adequate
amount that the FAA recognizes it as greater than 51% and awards me a
Repaiman's certificate as well? (Obviously entailing creating
a 'builder's log with photos, journal, receipts, etc.)
>
> Speaking of which - i have been immersed in the construction manual
for some time now. This plane seems VERY straight forward to build
(I might even have to build one for myself just for fun!!), although
I recognize that the original ones came as 'kits'. With that said,
are there REALLY any parts that were supplied with the kit that would
be difficult to fabricate or scrounge? I have a small lathe and mill
and although I'm no machinist, I know several people who are. The
only difficult piece that I can see is the vertical fin support
orange foam - that's a pretty oddball shape/size, and I can't find
any specs on it's actual measurements anywhere in the plans. Is this
still available from Aircraft Spruce?
> Thanks all!
>
> Jonathan
>
>

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> From: poodina1
> To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM
> Subject: [Q1_Aircraft] C.G.
>
>
> how is C.G. found of Q1 with the pilot at the seat? if the wieght
> varies say a different pilot is flying how does this change
> compensated. where does the c.g move?
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Larry, thanks!

Hey - that would be GREAT if it would pass the FAA inspector (but I won't hold
my breath, just in case...)

I'll have to check with the former owner (and take a healthy look myself) - But
I BELIEVE it has the GU canard - that probably ought to be replaced with the LS
in any case, so I'll probably get to tear off the current canard, glass up a new
one, install it, and get a little sampling of all that fun finish work that
everyone seems to love so much. I'm sure I could deconstruct enough of the
systems and photograph the rebuild process to make that pretty authentic. I'm
debating the value of adding a stobe and position lights - but I DO want to keep
this thing light. I've gotten through some 15 or so of the early QuickTalks -
people did NOT seem to be very happy with the 18-22 hp Onan's. Very weight
sensitive, and it sounds like more than a few wound up with at least some minor
damage at least once.

Yeah - I got the impression from the plans that MOST of the pieces required were
fairly standard and would not be hard to scrounge up. The few metal pieces that
needed to be cut out look straight forward - and things like latches, gauges,
wiring, wheels, brakes, etc is certainly stuff that can be rounded up here and
there. I was just curious if there were any specific pieces that really
required specific jigging or manufacturing at the factory that would be
difficult to replace. As near as I can tell, that one piece of orange foam was
pre-shaped from the factory, and it is a complex (triangular in two planes)
piece. Not impossible, and especially not if I can get specs on it...

Haven't decided entirely on the engine. It has an 1835 VW currently and seemed
to fly really well. A half VW (37 hp) would trade some power for lower weight,
and some small portion of fuel economy. The fuel tanks aren't huge in these
machines - but then, they're not REALLY designed as cross-country machines,
either. It seems that the loss I would experience would be more in rate of
climb and relatively less from cruise. On the other hand - that 1835 ran nice,
and certainly seemd to offer pretty sprightly performance... Tough call. I
might have to own two of these to really decide...

Ahh - decisions, decisions...

Jonathan

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From: laheze
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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:54 AM
Subject: [Q1_Aircraft] Re: Plans-built Q1


Jonathan,

The Quickie is a scratch built airplane. Kits contained pieces of
foam that were sanded to shape, then fiberglass covered to make the
fuselage. Wing cores were hot-wired to shape using templates then
fiberglassed covered to complete. I will assume the verticle tail was
also hot-wired using templates on each end. Wheels, brakes, bubble
for canopy, resin, rolls of fiberglass cloth, and engine came in kits
not finished parts.

Homebuilt airplanes are usually inspected when finished by the FAA or
by one of their designees who has completed their designee program
now. In days gone by there WAS an inspection process as the airplane
was built, and is still not a bad idea to have someone more
knowledgable than yourself look things over but I don't think the FAA
requires that currently. Now they just inspect the finished product.

I have recently heard of some getting the repairman certificate for
an airplane they did not build. If the airplane is apart and you are
performing assembly, and possibly a new engine installation you MIGHT
be able to get the repairman certificate.

Larry H.

'Jonathan Kuehne' <jpkuehne@...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys - another question entirely.
>
> I have a previously built Q1 that comes from another member of this
board. Sold to me in flying condition, but in 'For Parts Only'
status. In other words, no N-number - I need to apply to the FAA for
an airworthiness certificate. Given that it's an essentially
complete build, I'm certainly not going to qualify as the primary
builder or for a repairman's certificate. No big deal there - but
what exactly IS the process by which I can get this aircraft
reevaluated by the FAA and get an airworthiness certificate
assigned? Obviously it's not open to sequential inspection, as it's
already complete (including paint) - is that an issue? Or am I going
to need to 'deconstruct' it to the point of rebuilding an adequate
amount that the FAA recognizes it as greater than 51% and awards me a
Repaiman's certificate as well? (Obviously entailing creating
a 'builder's log with photos, journal, receipts, etc.)
>
> Speaking of which - i have been immersed in the construction manual
for some time now. This plane seems VERY straight forward to build
(I might even have to build one for myself just for fun!!), although
I recognize that the original ones came as 'kits'. With that said,
are there REALLY any parts that were supplied with the kit that would
be difficult to fabricate or scrounge? I have a small lathe and mill
and although I'm no machinist, I know several people who are. The
only difficult piece that I can see is the vertical fin support
orange foam - that's a pretty oddball shape/size, and I can't find
any specs on it's actual measurements anywhere in the plans. Is this
still available from Aircraft Spruce?
> Thanks all!
>
> Jonathan
>
>

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Original Message

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> From: poodina1
> To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM
> Subject: [Q1_Aircraft] C.G.
>
>
> how is C.G. found of Q1 with the pilot at the seat? if the wieght
> varies say a different pilot is flying how does this change
> compensated. where does the c.g move?
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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