Q1_Aircraft: BMW R1100

Are you going to go with the sawn case, or full case? Good arguments for
both... How about piston size? Any other mods? Which version (planset) are
you going to use, and why did you decide on those?

Have you looked at the Ultravair? If you haven't at least bought their plans
(and I have NO affiliation with them) then that would be well worth the money (I
think it's $75 bucks). If nothing else, maybe they'll have some pointers you
can pull into your VW build-up...

Keep us posted, too!

Jonathan

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From: G B
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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Q1_Aircraft] BMW R1100


Jonathon,

I, for one, have decided on the 32hp half vw. Same weight as
the Onan, and 50% more hp.

I have not finished my Dragonfly yet, but expect to within the next two
months, then maybe onto the Q1.

Glen Bankston
Moultrie, GA

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Subject: [Q1_Aircraft] BMW R1100

Has anyone considered the BMW motorcycle engines? (Like the
R1100?) I'm still looking for viable alternatives...

How much power do these planes really need to fly well, anyways?
Ryan really liked his VW on there - especially as compared to the
Onan, but said that it didn't give him that much more top speed -
just much better climb (if I understood him correctly). Maybe 18hp
isn't really enough - but is 60 overkill? Seems to me something in
the 35 hp range would be RIGHT about where you wanted to be...
(enough cruise, climb, and economy to really make you enjoy all
three!)

It seems to me that the full 4 cylinder VW is a bit too much.
Heavy, maybe more power than REALLY needed. But it does carry all
the accessories... Starter and alternator would be nice - you could
run lights and radios, too

The P-60 seems like a hell of a motor, but at 9K it's a bit steep.
Otherwise gorgeous setup. Too much power?

The McCulloch 0-100 is intriguing - but it's a two stroke and there
are VERY few aircraft (outside of gyrocopters) that use these at
all. (in fact - I can only find reference to a grand total of three -
a Hummelbird, a Flying Flea, and a BD-5) A lot of people don't like
them (for a wide variety of reasons) - but it's hard to argue the
power to weight ratio...

HKS - expensive. Otherwise pretty - much like the P-60.

Ultravair very tempting. Great manual, pretty build. Seems to me
like this might be the right place to be... But you have to build
it, and that's gonna take a little time and some scrounging (too
bad - great winter project, eh?)

I think i'm gonna try and put together a little spread sheet - I'll
post it when I'm done. We can (collectively) edit and/or add to it
as desired - maybe it'll give us a better idea of what's open to us
as options...

Jonathan

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Thanks for the compliments Jonathan.

While I'd love to sell the entire collection of back issues, with rare
exception, I've pretty much outlined all the articles that are Q-1 worthy.

Although I'm sure that anyone with an interest in alternative engines can
learn from (and enjoy) virtually article ever printed (in our magazine), the
former editor/publisher wasn't into low-and-slow or nor air-cooled, so you
won't find much, if any, in the way of small engines from issue #1 through
#71.

I took over with #72. Issue #86 is being mailed today and tomorrow. It
features a small article on some Hirth advancements, including an all
composite (carbon fiber/graphite) piston and ring set.

Issue #87 will be out for SnF and will be a special all-rotary issue, which
will feature the equivalent of a 1/2 13B, potentially suitable for Q-1 use.
He designed the engine for an Avid Flyer.

Unlike the past editor, I plan to keep an eye out for the whole spectrum of
alternative power for experimental aircraft... from powerful, water-cooled V
engines to single piston air-cooled and EVERYTHING in between.

Hope this helps.

Pat



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> Behalf Of Jonathan Kuehne
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:14 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Q1_Aircraft] BMW R1100
>
> Patrick,
>
> Wow!
>
> Talk about irony - I just found your web-site last night, and printed your
> info with the intent of calling you guys this week and ordering the whole
> shooting match!!!!
>
> Clearly I need to spend the dollars - can't wait to see what other gems
> might be hidden in there...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jonathan
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> From: Patrick Panzera
> To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:37 AM
> Subject: RE: [Q1_Aircraft] BMW R1100
>
>
> We've put out several articles over the past few years, keeping the Q-1
> in
> mind. The Hexadyne P-60 (as you mentioned) is pretty pricy, but it's a
> very
> compact (and complete) package and physically fits the Q nicely. We have
> briefly mentioned the Q installation (with a photo or two) in the
> article.
> We featured the P-60 in issue #81, and we will have a P-60 forum at the
> Mountain State Canard Fly-in, the weekend of April 28.
> www.siinc-sources.com/MSFly%2DIn/ which coincides with the
> Alternative engine round-up www.ContactMagazine.com/Roundup.html
>
> The 1/3 Corvair was covered in detail in issue #75
>
> The BMW engine was featured in issue #80
>
> The AeroTwin was featured in issue #85
>
> David Roe's scrunched down VW was featured in #76
>
> The AeroVee was featured in #73
>
> The HKS: #79
>
> Harley Davidson: #74
>
> See www.contactmagazine.com/backissu.html for a full list.
>
> Pat
>
> > Has anyone considered the BMW motorcycle engines? (Like the
> > R1100?) I'm still looking for viable alternatives...
> >
> > How much power do these planes really need to fly well, anyways?
> > Ryan really liked his VW on there - especially as compared to the
> > Onan, but said that it didn't give him that much more top speed -
> > just much better climb (if I understood him correctly). Maybe 18hp
> > isn't really enough - but is 60 overkill? Seems to me something in
> > the 35 hp range would be RIGHT about where you wanted to be...
> > (enough cruise, climb, and economy to really make you enjoy all
> > three!)
> >
> > It seems to me that the full 4 cylinder VW is a bit too much.
> > Heavy, maybe more power than REALLY needed. But it does carry all
> > the accessories... Starter and alternator would be nice - you could
> > run lights and radios, too
> >
> > The P-60 seems like a hell of a motor, but at 9K it's a bit steep.
> > Otherwise gorgeous setup. Too much power?
> >
> > The McCulloch 0-100 is intriguing - but it's a two stroke and there
> > are VERY few aircraft (outside of gyrocopters) that use these at
> > all. (in fact - I can only find reference to a grand total of three -
> > a Hummelbird, a Flying Flea, and a BD-5) A lot of people don't like
> > them (for a wide variety of reasons) - but it's hard to argue the
> > power to weight ratio...
> >
> > HKS - expensive. Otherwise pretty - much like the P-60.
> >
> > Ultravair very tempting. Great manual, pretty build. Seems to me
> > like this might be the right place to be... But you have to build
> > it, and that's gonna take a little time and some scrounging (too
> > bad - great winter project, eh?)
> >
> > I think i'm gonna try and put together a little spread sheet - I'll
> > post it when I'm done. We can (collectively) edit and/or add to it
> > as desired - maybe it'll give us a better idea of what's open to us
> > as options...
> >
> > Jonathan
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Jonathan, If you put a spread sheet together please include the 4A084 Teledyne.
I have no empirical data of my own however there's plenty of success with other
airframes. I'm putting one in my q-1 based on what I know so far. Let me know if
you need more info as the spreadsheet comes together. Stan

Jonathan Kuehne < jpkuehne@... > wrote: Are you going to go
with the sawn case, or full case? Good arguments for both... How about piston
size? Any other mods? Which version (planset) are you going to use, and why did
you decide on those?

Have you looked at the Ultravair? If you haven't at least bought their plans
(and I have NO affiliation with them) then that would be well worth the money (I
think it's $75 bucks). If nothing else, maybe they'll have some pointers you can
pull into your VW build-up...

Keep us posted, too!

Jonathan

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From: G B
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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Q1_Aircraft] BMW R1100

Jonathon,

I, for one, have decided on the 32hp half vw. Same weight as
the Onan, and 50% more hp.

I have not finished my Dragonfly yet, but expect to within the next two
months, then maybe onto the Q1.

Glen Bankston
Moultrie, GA

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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:49 AM
To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Subject: [Q1_Aircraft] BMW R1100

Has anyone considered the BMW motorcycle engines? (Like the
R1100?) I'm still looking for viable alternatives...

How much power do these planes really need to fly well, anyways?
Ryan really liked his VW on there - especially as compared to the
Onan, but said that it didn't give him that much more top speed -
just much better climb (if I understood him correctly). Maybe 18hp
isn't really enough - but is 60 overkill? Seems to me something in
the 35 hp range would be RIGHT about where you wanted to be...
(enough cruise, climb, and economy to really make you enjoy all
three!)

It seems to me that the full 4 cylinder VW is a bit too much.
Heavy, maybe more power than REALLY needed. But it does carry all
the accessories... Starter and alternator would be nice - you could
run lights and radios, too

The P-60 seems like a hell of a motor, but at 9K it's a bit steep.
Otherwise gorgeous setup. Too much power?

The McCulloch 0-100 is intriguing - but it's a two stroke and there
are VERY few aircraft (outside of gyrocopters) that use these at
all. (in fact - I can only find reference to a grand total of three -
a Hummelbird, a Flying Flea, and a BD-5) A lot of people don't like
them (for a wide variety of reasons) - but it's hard to argue the
power to weight ratio...

HKS - expensive. Otherwise pretty - much like the P-60.

Ultravair very tempting. Great manual, pretty build. Seems to me
like this might be the right place to be... But you have to build
it, and that's gonna take a little time and some scrounging (too
bad - great winter project, eh?)

I think i'm gonna try and put together a little spread sheet - I'll
post it when I'm done. We can (collectively) edit and/or add to it
as desired - maybe it'll give us a better idea of what's open to us
as options...

Jonathan

Yahoo! Groups Links

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> Jonathan, If you put a spread sheet together please include the 4A084
> Teledyne.

That's one engine we've yet to cover, although I've all but begged the
surplus engine gang to get me an article.

The current issue of CONTACT! Has a surplus engine featured, but it's on par
with an A65.. way too big for a Q-1.

Pat

Pat,
Can I ? should I help? Seems it would be more worthwhile coming from someone
that's flying one. I've done the homework but have no data of my own. It's all
OPD. I do have lots of engines and parts for photo op. I've been holding off as
flying one in a Q-1 is vaporware at this point. Maybe I'll bring a runner to
Jean.
Stan

Panzera < panzera@... > wrote:
> Jonathan, If you put a spread sheet together please include the
4A084
> Teledyne.

That's one engine we've yet to cover, although I've all but begged the
surplus engine gang to get me an article.

The current issue of CONTACT! Has a surplus engine featured, but it's on par
with an A65.. way too big for a Q-1.

Pat






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Hi I have a complete set up for sale. 2005 gsxr600 suzuki with prop, chain case,
gauges the works.. I put this unit in a q1, flew it a couple of times and it
performed great. I clipped some bush and broke my canard .... This engine is a
fuel injected,water cooled inline 4, with around 120 hp. It only takes about 3
seconds to become air bourne.for cruising you can throttle it right back. I have
a short video clip of me landing for the first time. I don't have it edited yet
for the computor but I'll see if I can get it on ..

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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: [Q1_Aircraft] Re: BMW R1100



How about this one?

www.culverprops.com/big-twin.php
< www.culverprops.com/big-twin.php >

--- In This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. , 'jpkuehne' <jpkuehne@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone considered the BMW motorcycle engines? (Like the
> R1100?) I'm still looking for viable alternatives...
>
> How much power do these planes really need to fly well, anyways?
> Ryan really liked his VW on there - especially as compared to the
> Onan, but said that it didn't give him that much more top speed -
> just much better climb (if I understood him correctly). Maybe 18hp
> isn't really enough - but is 60 overkill? Seems to me something in
> the 35 hp range would be RIGHT about where you wanted to be...
> (enough cruise, climb, and economy to really make you enjoy all
> three!)
>
> It seems to me that the full 4 cylinder VW is a bit too much.
> Heavy, maybe more power than REALLY needed. But it does carry all
> the accessories... Starter and alternator would be nice - you could
> run lights and radios, too
>
> The P-60 seems like a hell of a motor, but at 9K it's a bit steep.
> Otherwise gorgeous setup. Too much power?
>
> The McCulloch 0-100 is intriguing - but it's a two stroke and there
> are VERY few aircraft (outside of gyrocopters) that use these at
> all. (in fact - I can only find reference to a grand total of three -
> a Hummelbird, a Flying Flea, and a BD-5) A lot of people don't like
> them (for a wide variety of reasons) - but it's hard to argue the
> power to weight ratio...
>
> HKS - expensive. Otherwise pretty - much like the P-60.
>
> Ultravair very tempting. Great manual, pretty build. Seems to me
> like this might be the right place to be... But you have to build
> it, and that's gonna take a little time and some scrounging (too
> bad - great winter project, eh?)
>
> I think i'm gonna try and put together a little spread sheet - I'll
> post it when I'm done. We can (collectively) edit and/or add to it
> as desired - maybe it'll give us a better idea of what's open to us
> as options...
>
> Jonathan
>

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